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Mar 21, 2016|

Guests Jarrett Tomalin, Judy Clement Wall, Stephen C. Meyer, and Pouline Middleton join Greg and Deanna to discuss issues affecting our community right here in the Northwest.

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Welcome conversations I'm your host Greg Thomas says thanks for spending some time with most this weekend joining me this segment I'm really excited to have. Our team of people that are putting on a super fun event it's Jarrett Tomlin community relations specialist up sleep train and be larger mattress firm network and sharing Morse. All of Cresson nonprofit helping. Children and families in crisis thank you for joining me this morning is straight to be here really excited talk about the cemented. Stood us as we look at the issues that affect us here at home and our community and across the nation I find it's rare to come across a big company whose heart is put on display regularly. Putting their advertising and marketing efforts into helping those who will otherwise have a hard time getting out to spotlight the folks at sleep train spend a large percentage of their broadcasting time talking about and looking out for organizations that look out for Foster kids for instance. Through a series of great events kids are looked out ballots after all here including. Superfund springtime events like the GM Opel. It's gone it's two different locations here in the Seattle area Sunday April 24 to well look at the acme bowl cortex city bowl and Kirkland two chances to put on your PGA's and come out and do some bowling. Now it's not just the Jan noble the couple Sutton Foster kids before we get into that there's some other big events you do every year's return. Yeah we really we we want to make sure that Foster youth. Have the basic essentials too when they come to new home they have a new paraplegic Emma Smith new issues to run in this school supplies for their first day of class. Year round we constantly are collecting these essential items at our store locations and are always collecting donations online so. This event is really the marquee event for the seat change hospice program but we are always looking out Foster used in ways we can help mr. Think throughout the year like going back to school I know there you do different programs and making sure kids have coats and cooking out forum in different times of the year with different specific events we really try to coordinate with the needs of our nonprofit partners and Foster parents went when they reach out to us. We want to make sure we have those items available so are back to school supply drive really lines up with the school season. We to a toy drive outlines a bright with Christmas holiday season. And it really wanna make sure that they have these items available when they're needed and of course they are needed at all times. You're around so again we are always hosting drives it's cool what is it about Foster kids that you think speaks to your company's leadership. When you look across to America there's foreign thousand Foster used to living while in the Foster system. And really it's one of those things there's not much support for far c.s out there from a corporate standpoint. And these children come to no fault of their own have been removed from their homes from their environment and really we wanna make sure that they have the same success the same resources the other children have so. Really really looking at a all of these these false she deserved to have a new pair she's in the coming home deserves feel welcomed and have. Those programs whether it's tutoring whether it's joining a baseball team are going to summer camp we want to make sure that these children have those opportunities because so what is put jam mobile. Open. And over the ten years we've raised over a million dollars to help Foster youth participate in the actual care Trittler activities a mansion so. The these sounds really gore go towards making sure to to go out there and join the baseball team they can do gymnastics take music lessons. Police find what they're passionate about. And go out and achieve it so all the funds raised are dedicated to these extracurricular activities and with PG a mobile we rely on the trees come out and. Make a difference come out in your pajamas born have fun you don't have to train training marathon. Daunting work out he's literally can roll out of bed in your beat the jam us. Show up and come on sports -- it's again it's Sunday. April 24 two different opportunities and act people and to quell or texted people in Kirkland you can come out Ralston bowling balls I don't even know what's sized lawn chose to use I don't know my hands like giant hands finding the right one it doesn't matter it's so fun to just get out there. Can rule some more balls will be my third or fourth time I've gotten to come on do myself. It's it's a blast in you can sign up at the gym doubled our comments really easy to sign up just so you don't have to be a great bowler to come out and how some fund raise some raise some money in. Our top placing teams are oftentimes the highest fundraising teams they may not the most skills. But they raise a lot of funds for saucy and it's an interest could. Don't too good for the bumper so train itself that all of it on my team last year my on my coworker brought her three and five year old kids and so we had bumpers up and it was Superfund to get out there and just to scoot around for an afternoon notoriously give. What specifically bowling is that because the block a training really went bowling it it's extremely friendly environment anal Altima is go out and ball. And not not just the bowling itself split there's prizes throughout the day there's fun pins we decorate. Kind we've got a couple in here that I that are around the station all over the place yet and we just killed 88 it's really for all ages he can bring your kids you can bring your grandparents your co workers anybody can come out and. Have some fun and overall it's a good to meet three feel where everybody in the bowling Alley hoping sports Austria's. Who doesn't like some black lights and grab some goofy born knowing that the best that I am assuming could jam up archery. Is not something that you're planning on now are now on now kept it could it. I'll know you have teams of local celebrities bowling but that doesn't mean anyone can enter this right and anyone can answer this really we've had a athletic groups church troops companies come out you know it's it's great to look into your own company and see if they have some kind of matching program our cultural activity budget. Where you can do your coworkers together come out in bowl and again you your helping Foss sheet. He didn't offer did cause while having a Tim team building style oh that's cool that's very tossing in the website please. That jam mobile dot com and you can register from now really until April 22 will be due initiation. It's OK so right of leading right up to the event yeah and again Sunday April 24 two different locations act people into cola or tech city bowl and Kirkland. I'll general likes to bull I mean so I would argue those people maybe aren't having a fun in their life but how can those not wanting to put on an put up the bumpers even still contribute to this offense. Yeah you know they can still contribute by going online jumbled are calm they can always make a donation at this store on again though you know is she electable. No come on out you can shop drop in and just make a donation. He can go purchase a tin that we talked about their always do feeders and some wizard some Oscar the Grouch is all different kinds that he really stop and make a donation. And now will make a big impact don't have a wizard and the penguins' end though in the studio across the hall here so that's excellent OK what's that's really interesting we'll have this again in just a second wanna talk grew quickly to share in Morse. She's from all of crass it's a nonprofit helping children and families that are in crisis I Sharon good morning good morning. Well now does your organization benefit how rather does your organization benefit from what's going on with the programmable. Well all of crest we have about 200 Foster youth in our program and all of those kids do you get around. Pajamas. Backpacks and they get wishes for the summer. And a year round to what they can do with that we owe les try to find the strength out of kids and what they're really dead at him and try to get them doing Matt. It's a wished these kids about 90% of kids in Foster care that come into Foster care really have nothing. They count me in on their taken from their homes which is it. And really unsafe environments and they've got a bag or garbage bag full of stuff so first about that tells you can't I'm garbage. And I'm not worth so they coming to a new Foster parents home and the Foster parents are in their glove on him and just welcomed them and and it really breaks their hearts when they see what Pete children half. So date contact us little Julio was just clay she's AT eight years old and her Foster man's mom called our case manager and said listen she's got like. All her clothes are really kind of dirty and I mean when a Dresser amending any more she needs and school supplies. And we got her this purple backpack and you know purple warm Fuzzy pajamas and school supplies. And Chile when she got that she said this is for me. You mean I get to keep this for at Burke. And just so grateful for her. Just things we take for granite that we can give our kids. So we want them to kids just to be as normal and have a great life flight your your two kids my kids. And then we're gonna find out what Julie alikes to do we cannot she loves soccer she's always wanted to play soccer. Well so you know that you firms the Jews to cleats all of the uniforms can be. Kind of expensive so this is where those funds are used for those kinds of things another for one I'm guessing that wants to be a Foster care didn't necessarily just has all this extra money lying around. It's not always the people that are. There are financially able to do with that are the ones that are volunteering and so that's where you would step then yes. Come we actually license Foster parents so if anybody's interested in becoming fossil bearing got all of press start or. And will will take you to the process. Also we ran as a statewide site called clustering together and we do support group's monthly so every parent. No matter what resources you have beaten go to monthly support group in your area you can get great information find out who the others. Foster parents are and also pick up sleep train gets there as well. So firm we just want people to have a heart for kids to not feel financially strapped into dealing nest. As long as she got a heart for kids and you wanna mean your home. We are here they're there to support you and everybody in the community can support them. Rank as we all wish we had time and and then broom for a kid and not everybody you know. Everybody can be involved in helping to Foster can't and that's what's that chain as a fourteen people that do. And I think every sometimes we lose sight of the fact that kids -- choosing to be Foster kids this is chosen for them unfortunately and so you can bet that that's gonna be such a traumatic event and to be able to just even smooth that out a little bit exactly imagine being in a real chilly and you know on the Mel and I the police come. And take her out of a dangerous situation. And she's quickly got a prowler Stephanie garbage sack. On which wasn't much in the first place and then they're scared they don't know where that Tenneco. And it's then they come to a home. And they're finally safe bets being safe isn't isn't just what you need as a child in need parents to love on you and help provide you with. What a childhood is a ballot. So that's what we do with all of crest and we love having great partners like sleep turning poser bowling game. My it's not the greatest but you know I've bowled the last four years and with the team at all of crest case managers and we we know each other on different left home. You know when you creeping your pajamas and united uniter and a business setting but is co workers she gets really get to bonds and. It's super fun again looked over its. Sunday April 24 is the big event you can register at the jam mobile dot com until. Two days before that was the that was on April 22 and escorted the two locations. Acme bowl in two club or text city bowl in Kirkland real quick again Jerry it. What do someone just fine thank you can people build teams. Must still have a couple people that wanna do it is there a way to like get people together and make new friends. Absolutely I mean eSATA about the jumbled our common up to fight people can joins if you only have three you like more we can work on our side is trying to fit together with some. With some people the ball left and it's really great opportunity didn't come out bowl two games she is included T shirts included. And prizes throughout the day so calm you know with the restriction to earn fifty dollars five people that's fifty dollars per person cell. You get a couple games a bowling can really get to come out how funds. Or Foster youth not a fantastic opportunity to take part in our own community here this is all going right back into our own area all the proceeds from the switch is fantastic again. Not the GM Opel studied the April 24 two quello there in the acme vortex of people in Kirkland to different opportunities. Jarrett and Sharon thank you so much for joining us today thank you so much Ankiel lovely time of to have both of you back on to talk about your various different activities. That are happening. Here's to a wonderful Sunday morning conversation to the public affairs program of this station. A lot of conversations I'm your host here crews things. The yeah that's joining. He in this segment is Judy comments Walt whose Austrian also author inspiration for recovery hello Judy. How they'll. And you're not right where we're located. I mean Livermore California which has gotten that tends to Kobe area. You think tally your fancied a professor at. I'm here let's say and I think expiration is the really cool name by the way for you here it's funny because. On the book adult coloring books that are talking about. How did you come up with the concept duty. While being named actually letters. My editor at eight he had that camera but the meeting never quite a few names being around the that was the one that everyone. Can. Yes it yet. Come and sell and tell me about. Because you have a series of them I'm from what I noticed on line on how does that come about. The am well we publish it in books has its series and I and the illustrate where the course to read books. Now that are coming out well two of them are out on coming out. And then they obstacle later during the period it would have. It posters or. So who who came up with the idea as further recovery version that recovery one. And that's what they say that actually their theory well published and that Urbina in and they kept separate our authors write. In the recovery area. But it was a natural fit for them and because scouring their and so many studies that come out now to talk about how good coloring it where you have. It's not a good. For. There doctors have. You have available or when they under. Eric talk Khmer. There it you know meetings. Bet they would also kind of available. And it buried under very therapeutic and covering the very therapeutic and very meditative and so it feels like it matches that are well. Actually am not that I'm Carla. Young probably. Prescribed time but over his patients and so I think it's got a long history of being valuable in the arena. I read somewhere as I see if you are like for example a recovering alcoholic or something and you you need to replace that media. That Hillary is actually helpful because like you said it is therapeutic in my corrects. Yes yes I think so and I think that what it does is it also gives you a place where. You can I don't get that great about coloring. I've discovered. I'm because actually I didn't cover very and I I don't color and draw them I'd do color now. Is that you've got these kind of in line and you got it and work inside or outside the lines but that it allows it to be very creative but with. Guidelines and you don't have to think too hard not to come up with whole concept here's and so I think it creeped out here. Bringing in a way to really eat good for you and that pops into your most creative instincts. Oh without being too demanding that you scarier too much. I'm what is and I briefly was able to to go online and check out the coloring book. What's he what's the meaning behind them the Angeles my pronouncing that correct. Anarchy and dollars a kind. I am. I don't among don't have a long history at and I don't even know there are there. You know all of the Internet so that I know at Atlanta history had been using meditative practices. And it C. The geometric. Repetitive many of them and then circle itself which were at home and so I'm their but symbolically. Meaningful. And a aaron's and B they're relaxing in a way that geometric patterns. Ed and I are bringing the need to make at about things. It back to relax and thirsting for something to do. And in the current market then our current books also incorporate a meaningful phrases and words and encouraged we had a little section and current but the subject how to. Cherish it how to make money dollar. And encourages you to put in words that are being pulled CU and look at where we can meditate on parents you're building a coloring in you're on ala. It's interesting because I'm always really attracted to GMAC tackles seats. You know Rihanna like yeah I don't know tomorrow night I kinda gravitate towards that him and so what other adult coloring books have you worked on. I am I felt published my own heart out loud her current that which was my very first. Venture into that world it's sort of cute I can do it. And then as soon after that eight CI. Contacted me I have done three kind of looks at them I'm working on the third kind and I'm right now that will be tour competent. Is that another recovery one. No actually that first one Patrick Henry the second one which is due out march 22 pat is. In protections for women. I'm what I'm doing right now it's inspirations for every day on the inspiration for women what's the concept idea behind. They were trying to look at the art and more importantly can I you know I don't know how much we are currently changes. Particularly clear picture. About women. But they did Serb concentrate only noteworthy quotes that we found that we could into the books they're they're very you know empowering. Been digging yourself. How are feminine sort of quotes just Obama the pictures. I thought went online to. Episodes ago. And and not the last one which until now when you currently. I think rich and every other spot is that we're just celebrating. You know the things that you do you see all the time but don't think. When we're the other product of the quotes from words that we couldn't about will be. About. Validating sobering to everyday life. And I did see one an online and you weren't the to illustrate on this one I'm assuming was the inspiration for cat lovers her. And I didn't get that way. Is all. These and eat out. Tomorrow. I do have kept it into my input of the current or and I are pretty yeah how many different kaput. And I loved cap. Yes all pet like pets in general and Donna DO cat you know it's funny though when I first read Tom you know this came across in an email on their like argue wanna talk to Judy it's until coloring books I'm I was like wait let. Because I have. I cannot and does because and those people aren't thinking about an. Adult coloring books that are out there and beat trend as well right. No I didn't know about a and I get when I initial public why I didn't search for adult coloring wrecked and out like a little. They are really adult covering the. And it really is like the new restraints and I'm not talking about just. How to wasting it on there's new. But they aren't word bomb night you know. For me aren't out ones that you can run as well because it's supposed to be therapeutic as well. So I was like I should really tested and China and see for millions you know. Well I got a pink and native because you know it's the act of color and I think is the therapeutic part of it and I think you know and that's where would I haven't gotten kind of conflict that's where respect yeah except for when people post them online. I think that that's a way to channel that anger is your interest to convert on. So I am what if someone goes looked into therapy and they walk into therapy session. On now can Ethier has given this coloring book and to hear this is your mark. Ups that you can go collar and it's a good idea hour. They hit me like it could be out exactly how we met not a therapist I think it adds to our color. You know I feel like that would be a Smart man. Lot of it's a lot cheaper. To mark and yeah exactly. And you get start. And in the you know an Alastair eating thumb and does a basically being in Indy whole art world. Actually I was a writer her my degree in creative writing in a writer for many years. But I am. Never quite attained the level of success. I never got beyond toppling together any strings spreading. So I started trying coming up on maybe I figures current started drawing and it would really do too lenient and stick figures and making these little cards from friends and at some point expect post online and I got a lot positive reinforcement and the more I true the more. I wanted to drop in the way immediately I had never felt the writing despite the fact that it right for seniors. An and I ain't I open an antique shop and a lot of things to happen after it came from and it you know why do commission jobs and declined on the need illustrated books are. It was a sort of patent that Elin are more than more than directed toward it. How about as a kid did you draw a lot are now. I didn't I read and I wrote. I ate my brother was the artist and back up when I started drying and all all everything that's happened since it started drawing my mom keeps saying. How come we didn't know he could do it. It. Can be yeah. Once you never went to school our Ferraro now. I did I I didn't even actually take our class in my right to Korea and not drunk deciding to. A system. And it's been quite a little right. The ride and it all turned around for you how is your brother Theo is he an illustrator working there now. Now he actually injure a lot longer at that he's now in construction. Canada zinc being that plainly does. It I. I comment on actual economic and it's that depends if you outside and feel that way down 'cause he could also just be in markets practices similar you know it used to losing now artsy green. You know behind the whole thing sell Barry and actually you know he still equate that aren't probably aren't here. Three time most people don't do their art book I'm. So kind of on so have you given up the pitch and basically or will you ever go back to you know writing books as well. Well I mean actually trying mountain Edward and try to do in it expects an illustrated. But and adult illustrated that the continental go to the illustrated but yeah. No. He. Spent a combine both and that I can now be early on network in action or life. Pressure. Should be a lot of fun and how can we get our hands on these illustrated adult books. It you go to in and ended idling. Out and it. Written on that. And I. Can't. Okay I'm all of their books. That are available on the there is. Comment and over here and seeing that it's just 1010 bucks 1095 basically yeah. Com and there are also available on Amazon.com TO and Barnes noble are right on maybe I'll stop there and just kind of looked through it. And also know how can we get in contact with UG. I have what strategic and at all dot com. Know that I was gonna say I am there you can get my shot in seeking and you can also contact. Do you have any of your other mom your artwork up on their to do. Iso expirations for recovery. Like you said inspirations dot com Judy thank you so much for talk to you today anything else you wanna ask. No I'm I'm thrilled to be on your show and thank you so much right now I think you in capital on Sunday. If you can't have another adult. Yeah I haven't. Conversation is the public affairs program of this station. Welcome the conversations on your host Greg Thomas says thank you for spending some time with us here this weekend joining me this segment is Stephen C Meyer author of Darwin stopped the explosive origin of animal life and the case for intelligent design and good morning sir. Thanks for joining us today join us as we look at the issues. That affect us here at home and our community and across the nation saluting at a time when our country cannot agree on science related to things like changing the earth for the changing earth. Are the changes the result of man made pollutants have been natural to the east and indeed exists insult or is liberal Seattle. These questions may be scoffed at but now our student but how blue is the stayed after all storefront outside the city agree. That's just one angle but there's often a perception that science. Reduce its faith out of a picture Steve into buyer by using science would argue on behalf of intelligent design being sharp went by the science to practiced Meyer. Who directs the discovery institute's center for science culture at discovery dot org slash ID. Advocates that students should be taught evolution as a scientific theory that is open to critical scrutiny not as a sacred dogma. That can't be question and on March 19 miner will hold a heavyweight style debate with Lawrence Krauss an American theoretical physicist and cosmology it's. Meyer will argue for intelligent design is legitimate scientific theory and kraus will argue the kids to debate will be streamed. At evolution news. Not all work from seven to 9 PM Walt good morning Stephen it's great to have you here and it's not very common that we talk to somebody highly involved in the science field that makes. An argument for intelligent design. What do clue what what do what do people bring against due to try and dispute what you're saying most often a what are the challenges you face. Well usually it's a definitional. Argument they'll just say intelligent design isn't science. Effectively by definition because. They'll claim that in these scientific you have to limit yourself to strictly materialistic explanations for everything. And our our argument is. Contrary to that in two ways first we think there are certain kinds of things that are best explained by the activity. Of an intelligent agent or a mind and we assert that because of what we know about the cause and effect structure of the world. Whenever we find information especially in the digital form whether we're looking out of them I regret the conscription or section of computer code or a book. The paragraph or are protects in the book. And we trait that information back to its source we always come to an end at an intelligent agent. Been an amazing discovery in modern biology in the last half of the twentieth sentry starting in 1950s with Watson and crick or right up to. Subsequent development such as the Human Genome Project in the encode project. Is that at the foundation of life we have digital information stored in the DNA molecule. And every attempt to explain the origin of that information in evolutionary biology. Has fail in this as well I document in. My two books signature in the spell and Darwin down. And instead again what we know up from a cause and effect is that there is a cause that can produce information that causes intelligence. So we argue for the the design of life the intelligent design of life. Based on the crucial discoveries and molecular biology about the information during properties of DNA. And based on our cause and to our knowledge of cause and effect. Which is are are you infect our uniform and repeated knowledge of cause and effect which is the basis of all find that the reasoning that we picked. The inference intelligent design the perfectly scientific conclusion. And one which is based on standard method is under the reasoning our opponents however wanted define. The possibility of design out of existence. And say too if your gonna be assigned that you can't talk about such things at all you can even consider them which we think is a very unscientific attitude. And I mean I think throughout our human history we've proven that we think something is right. Because we have science forward in the science proves it to be wrong. But. Our our knowledge of the natural world as always advancing and it in Darwin's time it was simply unknown the that the complexity of itself generally was unknown. And certainly it information during properties were completely unknown. And so that the discuss I think that the discoveries in the 1950s with what's been the first that elucidate the structure. Of the DNA Malek goal and then subsequently realizing that. The DNA molecule was storing code in this sequence specific way this was called the sequence a opposites by. Francis Crick and he realized that there are that. Or chemical sub units that run along the interior of the twisting double helix of the B today. There are functioning just like alphabet characters that are written language heard or digital characters in this section the machine code. And other words this is informational text. And they hope the that we were able later to determine that these this disinformation is directing the construction of the proteins and protein machines that excels. Allow them to stay alive in them in much the same way is the information and act cad program. They had Boeing would be directing the construction of an airplane wing so this is digital information. Directing the construction of mechanical parts what what do we know about systems like that. They invariably arise from mines it requires a mind to generate information that this was something that was unknown and Darwin's time. Something that's been discovered in the second half of the twentieth century it has not been explained by hand directed material. Evolutionary processes but instead is just the kind of thing that we know arises from intelligent agents so I think is extraordinarily. Exciting time to be part of modern biology because of the discover that no one really expect. It's interesting you say it operates like a mind. It feels thin sort of like you would be projecting how we understand things with our minds on to a structure of things like we are do we have a step far enough back that we can take. In order to prove that it's not just us protecting our own run systems on something else. Well we're not saying that the the the code itself is operating like a mine were saying that the the code. Has that attribute that we know from experience only a rise from mine. And and that's what. Provide the basis of the strong inference that we make to the activity of a designing intelligence having acted in the past to generate the code. You encounter. The Rosetta Stone in the British Museum. Or section of computer code based on your in your knowledge of cause and effect of what what can and what cannot. Produced. Systems like that you're gonna make an inference. In the case of the Rosetta Stone there are described her in the case of the computer program at the as a programmer we know something about what it takes to generate information. And so the discovery of that kind of digital information that the foundation of life. Provides a very strong grounds for inferring. That. A designing mine played a role in the origin of that information and that it wasn't produced just bite and directed and guided. Material processor. I find that when many people talk about the subject it's from a basis of religion when you mention intelligent design. Often that's a synonym for the word god but I noticed you very. Not really carefully but you've definitely not said that at any point here is third differentiate shin that you're trying to make between the two ideas. Well there's a pair but it isn't. And it. Distinction and that is between the the scientific basis of the theory of intelligent design. And it's possible religious friendly implications clearly if there is a designing intelligence responsible for life one candidate. For the designer would be god and and neither I nor other proponents of intelligent design shied away from technology and but from the science alone you can't really prove God's existence you can establish instead that that a designing mind of some kind. Is the best explanation for the evidence the state 12 made debt that inference that I think it's a matter of further philosophical deliberation as to the identity of the designer. I personally I personally am traditional BS the Christian in fact. And I think the designer is god but I think science can take you only so far that it at a certain point you have to. To bring in some other kind of reasoning in consideration. Although I think science from other disciplines. Helped support the idea that the design may be that the designer in question may be may have the attributes that the Jews and Christians were described. Two to god atheistic creator. For example in the field of cosmology and physics. The physicists are not talking about the fine tuning of the laws and on the physics. That make life possible and that that's fine tuning has been president from the very beginning of the universe. Suggesting the need for the transcendent source. Of that. That that design so I think when you bring the physics and that it's just. I think overall. A district perspective on this mix well horse sense and they invoking a space alien or ideas to created the wind things up in Everett does it afterwards. All right I think that that the site can help you adjudicate. These metaphysical questions but I I think. In biology. The evidence we have got to clearly I think to the conclusion that remind us of played a role. And intelligent agent of some kind event and there's some additional reasoning that needs to take place it's to decide that question that people do come to different answers. Culturally speaking we don't find a lot of science and intelligent design being mentioned. On the same team. Often why aren't their more scientists who were at least championing and intelligent design I don't know if they're out there or not if they are why aren't they speaking up about it like York. Well. Mega bill the second part your question of the more relevant one I MII director program at Discovery Institute which is. Now of the and increasingly international search effort. And there are lots of scientists who are friendly and intelligent design perspective and and especially in many more younger scientists who are dissatisfied with the the Dartmouth schism and the inadequacies of the the Darwinian view which. And him in the military showing might most recent book Darwin's stout even leading evolutionary biologists are now rejecting the idea that natural selection and random mutation. As the date the power to produce the major changes in the history of life in many leading evolutionary biologists are calling for a new theories of evolution because the standard textbook theory is so evidently inadequate. So there's quite deferment going on and among them. Some among those dissenters from darwinism are many scientists are friendly to intelligent. There is however. A really. I would say oppressive atmosphere in many quarters within the scientific community. Where any discussion of this is likely to. Earned a scientist censuring we have a very dramatic example of that happening right now. Last this last week of paper was published with the major sign of life are eternal hope boss. And the they are article written by two Chinese scientists was about the exquisite design of the it out of the human hand. And the decide to actually attributed that to the intelligent design of a creator. And when the paper was published and was and that it began to be read by the scientists all our earth who read the journal. There was a huge you're headed demand that the editor. Either be censured or that the paper be withdrawn as it turned out unfortunately dutifully that just happened yesterday. But there is a tremendous pressure not to discuss this. You've heard just the beginning of blood and Stephen C Meyer has to say on the subject a heavyweight style debates with the Lawrence Krauss an American theoretical physicist will happen on the nineteenth evolution news dot org. Seven to 9 PM you can watch them duke it out over ideology and their own experience in the scientific world Stephen. Thank you so much for joining us today Telstra we can find your book Darwin's doubt. Bit tonight web site Starwood Doug dot com has information about how you get booked. Promotes online bill. And a great morning thank you for listening and Stephen thank you for joining us. Ticket conversation with the public affairs program of the station. What the conversations I'm your host you cruise these things sometimes it does joining me in this segment is Pauline Middleton. I'm not love coach but also author of the book a one woman a three men. I ain't. Hello Dan thank you for having me. Not no problem I appreciate on you don't spend some time with me. On this morning you know what I'm kind tell me about it's interesting to see one not woman three men and that's not how modern societal society views things so I talked a little bit about your book. Yeah out well and attract independent and my own experiences because I had love lives that was a pretty much in ruins. Then I tried you know I knew I had to do something different because otherwise at least actually landing in the same bad situations where I'd been before. And so then I tried to make at Rhode Island deep inside and he is I mean we all right so that. Didn't. And you know you try and so many things that bill out. So with the light filled out things are bought and and it dawned on me. Well maybe I should have Lehman's so we'll deal might be most important any. We learned and what we're those and my most important you order a certain somebody to so I'd like to discuss things and talk about life and politics and I want. And there and a great act like it's not something that automatically get. Bright eyes and got to work it out one of talk talk talk. Exactly. And then I am one that somebody who's socialized will then and they helped me with the you know a handyman and help me with practical. We're on that happens yeah I don't know the hard to come by these days a tight end. I. I don't look a bit. And so again I you know I ended up getting a profile land and one blah but the talks a lot of attacks and a and demand for. The recent separate. US flipping time just you know a and and did what I was living there and what should I say yeah and he is scared and also curious act after I went offline because you know what where what what the men got nothing to me. They can actually respond. But there's a big hit it you know the and that's poured in. And a lot of men native wrote me saying oh yeah I'm lucky because I'm McCleon want. I'll bite what town that not a thing you know I want I want to try to find out what is going wrong in these relationships and and why it might look like it's not the way I want to be so. In need to choose one of the rules in order to go when they. So and that made it. How long did you did these guys these three separate guys. It lasted a year and a half. And not the same it was not the same to me guys. Who has. Separate die and yeah. It set the guys and sometimes that we have two guys. One pier I also won the way I started you know it became active again on line in the treatment. You know by the a lot of it was about dynamic period. So there was a period though that you hat you regaining three guys that wants cracked. Oh yeah yeah most of time I had agreement but but you know. Some of them they also realize that they were not that are you gonna get sick and and that was actually wily enough. Close. I found out how it is important to men in the. I was not good solid four and it. And sell on what you learn from dating these three separate guy is he now and on during this one period what did you. Well I learn what is important to me. Because in the beginning it was more of a practical reasons that I have identified the three most important areas you know we can't go out look at some political bill 26. Areas in need to have a few it. And I I'm out of this will be talking what's really important to me. So when I spent time with the went there on number on the practical guide they were not so big talk. And I can just feel that it was difficult for me to the end there on in certain level relationship with the current because the need the choking was important. So you know I I I thought the price or tight again and again what is important to me you and how to like communicate is in the ninth and. And you know where the accommodating what it. And socialite and and I found that out. And that also meant that you know one by not having remembered at a prior to look a one man and I went out of Beijing in a completely different manner. Because I knew what was important to me and I was not prepared to carpet. So you have like a different mindset. So you did so that the guy that you dated. That had the good conversation or the several guys that you did I had the conversation weren't necessarily the one he stayed with you then went out and it and found one that was better conversation. My corrects. Deb well at period. The three man than I I Ellen that was one of the god that was within a couple of years and and went back so we open apps but you know a total of maybe five years and all these experiences. Set on the okay what violence from the well I'm glad that need to be areas uncle Anthony and I shouldn't compromise. That was the contrary of what everybody has told me because you're always sold in relation if any compromise break. So it if you compromise on the most important an issue get beat Billy in on the sly you know the only on that I could just feel putt you don't joint line and and then think back to not support a. So this is a lesson that you learned an is that what you basically per train your book. Well I hated the book is more about Michael's. Trip you know activity that you're starting this dating with the three men and then having. Lehman they're different populations. And. And then in the end you know he's wide yeah definitely. So that he and the book with finding the one are now. You need to read and I thought I. Did let me make. I it was what I thought baiting again I would not meet face and I you know I'm a woman who's very easily than. Attractive and very young very positive so whenever I need them and I was orbit experiment I was young. In my thinking and you want Poland and looking and seeing. Yeah but I mean it was open because I wasn't really seeing them and then he was. And and that was not really you know it is not expected to be to be realistic. So one out of dating again on the and they met this guy. You know he and I get it'd up very well we island La when they were married so my personal life and it has so are ended with one man. Right on why and what I wanna know what's what's that you used as you can expect. A mean I look now. Well I think is what side but I would say you can use any what any day that's anything waters let. Yep because a lot of them and also reacted in that interesting way to meet a bit of its own mind to meet a woman who knows what she wants. Yeah ask you know I thought. You know men like to make women yes so if you can tell him that the what I would. Most willing and you know word. Doable thing for you to make you. Of course if you have a bit of 25 point then you get bit. Of them at heart that he is really trial it. Let me ask you this and I know this is cut off the topic but on you use web sites to do this what about like the dating apps like tend her and and all those apps that are out there. Have you tried them at all or did you. Yeah I had I tried number of them and I think those that Rick was going in there. That you can't and you think that there is somebody Honda at the next why. How. And and and that you know there's Baylor again is really important to know when you're so what do you look control because of your get out there for you know a quick meeting with somebody and I'm having a little pond so quickly called than what you would you should know you know but if you're looking for more. Deeper relationship. And that what you should signal because then people can actually accuse you but I think. Why if they let the people aren't afraid to signal what they want because they want to be in the stream of that possibility. So well and you know I think when you're 258. Hewitt and survival ordeal that the difference. Situation so what's your advice to all the single ladies in Seattle that aren't these dating web sites. Well salute to spend some time to figure out what was important to you. And then there's stick to that and communicated in and I play and and that you know trying to find a truck I'm. Then just buying a possible. And now like that. I like that a lot not so some. We're can be find your bullion one woman three men Pauline. It says available on Amazon and it's also available in books started back in the economy came out yet but I don't. So it available in Omega books. Stores so we uninhabited. So orderly. Pulling your also a modern love coats so does that mean you can give me advice. And. You can't let us. You couldn't you could book me on my what I. On and love and the outcome. And then you know while I'm happy becoming to the states as of April and will and all of April Lou in. Different parts of the XLA San Francisco's San Diego he'll. So it yeah I'll be happy you know I can use Skype sessions or at its. Do you tend to do relationship advice or just like life advice or mother buys what's what's more. A year. Well then if I could. You know it etiquette it myself swisher asking me I would say that it existential Lovett lights. In you know it is individual I don't know couples I have done it a couple of times and but I prefer to work with the individuals because it all and yourself. You have and sign people and. Yes and you know it the. The more that you grounded in themselves and you know what you're longing for also eat down. Within a lot of people acting when you act they count and that. And then ask them those what they're longing for. And that's not you don't know it you know quite specifically that you don't know what few weeks you'll go. Like what they're looking for in themselves or among four and a relationship. Well longing for in a relationship how will though you fulfilled as an individual in a relationship. What kind of love and longing for. You know some people is that some people security is very important of the people injured there a variety. You know variation but there's something new happening and you going places and traveling and you know the people people want to support it because they have an in line. You know about some benefits I. Little I want all three is that possible or thought. That's going to be a tough one to finance measure. Yeah and and you know there's no reason why you should continue to kinda. Run around and try to mind as somebody who could fulfill many neat yeah. Because if you actually can feel we didn't happen by having we need the most important Oak Hill. Renewable eight people let go the rest. But would not call these rules actually choose and held a variety of freedom of chart. Of so many things that people. And to tell us that you can get this. Dream up. And that can keep people who. Who got too many things monotonous the sentinel a few months that's how you one other ones who come to Sanders lives among realities. Restrictions some of realities and one of the. But the thing. All right Pauline thanks so much for calling in again her book is call that one woman three man behind them and get them on the Amazon itself thanks Colleen. Yeah great morning thank you for listening in thank you for joining us conversation is a public affairs program on this season.